Atheistic Destiny

This will be the first time I will publish my slightly edited ramblings.  Every other post on this blog has had a firm basis in an apologetic or philosophical framework or was rooted in scientific evidence.  This post, however, will come from me attempting to reason through a subject of genuine confusion for me.  

The Origin of the Confusion

During a recent discussion with an unnamed atheist, let’s call him Bob, here on wordpress, Bob made the claim that he preferred his own plan to God’s, even IF God really did create him (hypothetically of course). When questioned about what this “plan” would be, Bob claimed that he would “create my own destiny”. Evoking the word “destiny”, and being an atheist at the same time, confused me greatly.  How can an atheist believe that God doesn’t exist, believe that only matter exists, and yet still think the word “destiny” has meaning?


What does destiny even mean?  I quickly looked up a definition and like how the American Heritage Dictionary put it:

  1. The inevitable or necessary fate to which a particular person or thing is destined; one’s lot.
  2. A predetermined course of events considered as something beyond human power or control:

Once I saw the definition of the word “destiny” I realized that the claim, “I will make my own destiny” is a contradiction in terms.  However, let’s put aside that fallacy and compare the “inevitable fate” of the Christian and atheist worldviews.  

Worldview Comparison

In the Christian worldview, God created the human race for a purpose, to serve Him.  In that service, God demands our righteousness while also giving us free will.  The Righteousness of God and our free will are in constant battle, resulting in God’s justice and wrath being upon unrighteous humanity.  In Christianity, your “inevitable fate” is to choose.  Jesus Christ, with his last breath said, “It is finished”. The salvation of mankind was finished.  Now mankind must choose to allow Christ’s death save them from God’s wrath or to reject Christ’s sacrifice.  The choice determines your “inevitable fate”.

In the atheistic worldview, the human race was not created for a purpose.  It was not created at all.  Nobel prize-winning molecular biologist Jacques Monod said,

“Pure chance, absolutely free but blind, [lies] at the very root of the stupendous edifice of evolution. . . The universe was not pregnant with life nor the biosphere with man.  Our number came up in the Monte Carlo game.”

The human race, and everything we see around us, came about by pure chance.  Therefore, the words “purpose”, “plan” and “destiny” are not universal ideas.  Those words have no meaning in a universe that was brought about by random chance, especially when humans, who were brought about by that same random chance, are the ones contemplating that universe.  Randomly occurred beings contemplated a randomly occurred universe makes universals impossible.  

In his own worldview, the only thing Bob is “inevitably fated” to is complete annihilation.  It doesn’t matter what “purpose”, “plan” or “destiny” Bob creates for himself, or if he is a rapist, a priest or a rapist priest, Bob will be annihilated.  Bob’s destiny includes absolutely no choice in the matter but to be annihilated, while, in Christianity, Bob at least has a choice.

How Can an Atheist Live Like This?

I am truly confounded by how an atheist can live with any kind of hope in the atheistic universe.  If Bob was to follow his worldview correctly, the words “plan”, “purpose” and “destiny” are meaningless.  They are mere subjective constructions of his own mind which allow him to put one foot in front of the other in this life.  In essense, Bob creates those concepts to fool himself into marching ever close to his inevitable annihilation.  For all he knows, they are Naturally Selected constructs that fool all humans.  They evolved so that the human race wouldn’t kill themselves and eachother without first passing on their DNA.  Meaning is a farce meant to further the evolution of the human race.

But no atheist feels this way do they?  Of course not.  No atheist follows their worldview to this degree.  They all believe that “meaning” and “purpose” means something.  They are living in the Christian universe whether they deny it or not.  They are borrowing the Christian concepts of a universal meaning in order to put one foot in front of the other. 

My confusion has, for he most part, subsided.  I understand it now.  It seems that the atheist must steal Christian ideals give life any meaning at all.

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5 Comments on “Atheistic Destiny”

  1. lastexile88 Says:

    “It doesn’t matter what “purpose”, “plan” or “destiny” Bob creates for himself, or if he is a rapist, a priest or a rapist priest, Bob will be annihilated. Bob’s destiny includes absolutely no choice in the matter but to be annihilated, while, in Christianity, Bob at least has a choice.”

    I agree with this statement. In fact, I said the same thing in my first blog, except you said it much better than myself.

  2. Mike Says:

    To an atheist, life and perceived reality is just a randomly-evolved electro-chemical movie show in the brain. There is no justification to assume anything else. How do you know Light is real? Gravity is real? Hydrogen is real? Good is real? Love is real? It’s all the result of randomly-evolved chemical reactions, based on nothing. You MUST accept Intelligent design to justify those assumptions. There is no other way around it.

    And this creates even more problems for the atheist. If it’s all random, then consider: Perhaps humans didn’t evolve the ability to perceive anything more than our 3-dimensional physical reality. So, how do we know there aren’t INFINITE material realities? Why only 3? Is it because that’s all our randomly-evolved brains can interpret? Seems illogical and non-scientific to conclude that. Based on randomness, we have no reason to assume just 3.

    What if we never evolved the mechanism to perceive light? (eyes, optic nerve, whatever). Does that mean light doesn’t exist? Or does that mean we evolved no means by which to perceive it? In either case, doesn’t that mean that there are probably myriad other properties of the creation (or universe) that we also don’t know about, or can’t perceive? Based on randomness, doesn’t that seem logical?

    Remember Carl Sagan in “Cosmos” making a great demonstration of how 2-D objects would experience a 3-D object intersecting the 2-D plane of existence? Perfectly clear and logical. Now what if God permeates ALL dimensions of reality (as the Bible says he does)? What if the only way that God can be experienced in this 3-D reality is by Love? Just like the basketball is perceived in 2-D as a flat circle. Perhaps Love is the physical manifestation of God in this reality. But the atheist must say that love is only a random molecule concoction. It doesn’t really exist.

    But what if our consciousness exists outside of this 3-D material reality? What if our bodies are only a 3-D manifestation (akin to Sagan’s basketball) of our true selves. Or, what if biochemical reactions are not the *cause* of our emotions (like love), they are the *result* of our emotions emanating from our consciousness. Maybe we don’t “see” with our eyes, we see with our consciousness (which explains why an unconscious man having an out-of-body experience can see himself on the operating table and hear the conversation, for example). But in this 3-D reality, maybe our bodies act as an impediment to our true experience, to our consciousness (ESP aside). In other words, everything must be filtered through the physical mechanism of the body. The brain is not the source of our existence, it is merely our means to perceive the 3-D manifestation of it. I mean who really knows? An atheist will say that science knows, of course.

    And why are some things called Good? Why is life a Good thing? Why do scientists look at “Natural Selection” and think of it as “Good”? Why are life-affirming mutations “Good”? Why don’t scientists ask this question? It’s akin to Newton – not – asking why the apple falls down and not up. I guess the apple falls down because it just does. I guess life is a Good thing because it just is. This is hypocrisy of the highest order, really. Where does this Good come from? It must be a randomly evolved concept, according to the atheist. Maybe the atheist will say that there’s a “good” gene that science will identify in DNA. Hey maybe someday we can just inject the stuff into people. Wouldn’t that be great….

    So just think of the possibilities. But an atheist won’t. Science has “proven” evolution and therefore God doesn’t exist. I still hold to the belief that there is no such thing as a “search” for God. There is only “search for BELIEF” in God.

  3. cindyinsd Says:

    Hi, Eric

    It’s like you’re reading my mind. I said pretty much the exact same thing to my husband a week or so ago and told him, “If I believed that (atheism), really believed it, I’d just go out and shoot myself and get it over. He thought that was kind of over the top, but it really isn’t.

    The atheist, if he is right in his beliefs, is destined to, well, nothing. No one to follow, no one to remember, no personal future either. Just nothing. Love means nothing. Hate means nothing. Did you mow the lawn for an old lady this week? It means nothing. Did you feed the poor? Why? Why not? It all means nothing. Did your little boy fall and scrape his knee? Why do you care if he suffers? It means nothing. Did you comfort him? Why bother? Yup, I’d just go out and shoot myself.

    Not that I recommend this to any atheists out there. You may yet have hope in God, so don’t do that. Maybe your grandmother is praying for you, or someone else who cares. God reveals Himself to those who search for Him.

    Thanks for a great post, Eric


  4. Eric Kemp Says:

    exile, Mike and Cindy

    Thanks alot for the responses, but more importantly thanks for the encouragement. Exile, what is your blog?

    Mike, your argument summed up with… “In either case, doesn’t that mean that there are probably myriad other properties of the creation (or universe) that we also don’t know about, or can’t perceive? Based on randomness, doesn’t that seem logical?” is quite interesting. I had never thought of this before, thanks for the new thought. It makes sense that these things are possible if we follow out the “randomness” ideal to it’s full potential.

    Cindy, thank you for the encouragment. What keeps me going is making good arguments in defense of the faith, and knowing that others are blessed by or benefit from them. No atheist slander or blasphemy can dissuade me as long as my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ are blessed. I agree, if I truly believed in the atheistic worldview, I mean to it’s fullest logical conclusion, I would have no purpose in living any longer. What’s the point of drawing out my meaningless annihilation? Thanks again.

  5. lastexile88 Says:

    Good People. That’s the blog I was talking about. That last paragraph is where I compare Christianity to scepticism

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